{"id":6647,"date":"2025-03-05T16:41:04","date_gmt":"2025-03-05T21:41:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ramapo.edu\/magazine\/?p=6647"},"modified":"2025-03-26T16:05:59","modified_gmt":"2025-03-26T20:05:59","slug":"fireside-chat-with-dean-aaron-lorenz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ramapo.edu\/magazine\/spring2025\/fireside-chat-with-dean-aaron-lorenz\/","title":{"rendered":"A Fireside Chat with Aaron Lorenz"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; admin_label=&#8221;Menu Bar&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#F7F7F5&#8243; custom_padding=&#8221;0px||0px||false|false&#8221; sticky_position=&#8221;top&#8221; motion_trigger_start=&#8221;top&#8221; saved_tabs=&#8221;all&#8221; collapsed=&#8221;on&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; background__sticky_enabled=&#8221;on|sticky&#8221; background_color__sticky=&#8221;#F3F3F1&#8243; background_enable_color__sticky=&#8221;on&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; 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How has your understanding of higher education evolved over the course of your career?<\/h5>\n<p>I do feel like I have seen every aspect of higher education in my nearly 30 years in academia. I\u2019ve seen massive changes in many areas. The biggest change is access to information. When I was in graduate school, teaching courses and conducting research, it took many more affirmative steps to find information. For today\u2019s college students, access to peer-reviewed research is available in mere seconds. It&#8217;s free, fast and on their devices. That ease of access means the lessons I myself learned in searching for information must be taught in other ways. The search process is important, and if it is streamlined, we have to find other ways for the students to learn about adversity, drawing connections, spotting interdisciplinarity and even the joy of research success.<\/p>\n<p>Despite this and other changes, there are two things that haven\u2019t changed over time: the core of why we&#8217;re here; and that the facts always triumph. No matter what role I play\u2014faculty, convener, dean\u2014my obligation lies with ensuring students have more questions than answers after their educational experience. That comes from presenting material, engaging students and facilitating discourse. 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